This in turn makes the Gray rather underwhelming as a threat, since no sensible player would open the L-Gates prior to being prepared to handle them. That's not a Guardians of the Galaxy awakening, which can only happen once per game - because the machine FE will always awaken if the crisis is the. It has learned, gained experience, and grown as an intelligent being, and might even regret. I understand that L-Gate should represent an element of risk, but it needs balancing. Thread starter TrotBot; Start date Apr 20, 2021;. I tried sending a Force of 120 Corvettes into terminal egress since someone Said you should do that on another person who asked how to defeat the tempest, but they just killed it like if the fleet was a fly. Stellaris. enjoy: >Be Me >Download Stellaris with all the new DLCs and everything >Start game for the first time in over a yearGrey Tempest + War in heaven + Contingency = FML. . 107 Badges. So I can't seem to find much on the Gray Tempest event besides the obvious. Features. It is very cool! I've opened the L-gates numerous times and found it eerily silent, but never before was Gray around. You've just had a run of bad luck. UPD: lol, Grey Tempest is actually more common. This mod also adds a city appearance with matching style. Stellaris Wiki Active Wikis. I've played way too much Stellaris, and gotten the dessanau consonance twice, grey tempest about 4 times, and l-drakes literally a dozen times in a row. Active Grey Tempest is first, then Desanu Consonance, followed by Grey, and then the L-Drakes. Admiral Dangerman leading his men in this definitive battle, though it was costly and many good men and women lost their lives it was a success. ago. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. Sticking to a secluded spot of the galaxy I was able to fend them off and finally clear the L-Sector after ~60 years. So if they appear in 2450, they're not too tough. The other half, more or less, was defeated by myself, went onto obliterate two. That said it's also pretty brilliant when there's a Grey Tempest, the Unbidden and yourself all trying to mangle the galaxy in different ways simultaneously and it'd be a shame to lose that. Even if you don't get the Grey Tempest you want L-gates heavily guarded anyways, as AIs will definitely abuse it. Jan 2, 2022. The actual version is still backward compatible to pre 3. Showing 1 - 15 of 23. The Space Amoeba Protection Act: galactic_features. ago. I kinda afraid that galaxy is doomed now lol- 34000 fleets fly around and murder everyone. finally i entered the. The Gray Tempest home system contains 4 regular nanite fleets in addition to the factory. So i just bought distant stars and had my first game with it. After activating every relevant edict available and a relic, hiring three mercenary fleets, and pumping out a. One interesting aspect of stellaris is you can end up in almost no win scenarios. . My personal theory is that they're like the grey tempest and can be a mid-game crisis while simultaneously also being able to be something else (for example an. 7% Gray Tempest 21. Open 'gamestate' file with notepad or notepad++ if you have it; Search for flags: gray_goo_crisis_set for Gray Tempest; dragon_season for L-Drakes; gray_goo_empire_set for Dessanu; It's empty if you can't find any of those; You also can replace the flag to get desired outcome, but read save-editing guide first if you want to. 4% Dessanu Consonance 21. Reply Homer-DOH-Simpson •The Gray Tempest is one of the outcomes from opening the L-Gate in the Distant Stars Story Pack. Grey Tempest fleets are equipped with powerful energy weapons and strike craft. the tempest was a tool used to build the gates. FalloutofChaos Feb 27, 2022 @ 7:23am. The solution is simple: Do not remove the Gray Tempest but significantly reduce the chances of AI empires breaking into the L-Cluster if the Tempest is the outcome and/or if the Player Empire doesn't have any L-Gates within its territory. Grey Tempest strategy. You have access to a new trait, ships, technologies, planets, buildings, structures, crisis path & jobs. it had taken on human form and agreed to help me for the lolz. It's so bad it's basically an endgame crisis and i don't have near enough. The Grey Tempest is based on concept of a Grey Goo scenario and true to the Grey Goo scenario If it gets released from an L-Gate it will start to expand and consume any other playable entity/Civilization around it. To access the L-Cluster you can either click on one of the L-Cluster systems (should be just outside the main galaxy) or click on the L-Gate itself. Sure enough, I opened the L-Gate and the cluster is empty. It was officially announced at Gamescom in August 2015 and was released on May 9th 2016; in an unusual twist for grand strategy games, it later came to the PS4 and Xbox One on February 26th 2019. To compensate they only use like 5 ships per fleet. I have seen suggestion that Defender of the Galaxy works though. Like everything else in the game you just need to learn how to defeat them. I picked Stellaris back up in the wake of Nemesis like many and just finished my first new game. They did actually deny it, lmao. The most likely thing that will happen is the Grey Tempest. Ruffio Feb 1, 2022 @ 11:37pm. But the problem is that the Empty Cluster popup didn't appear. The AI decides it wanted to open up the L Cluster. 1". Like the other guy said, anything too big is dead weight. This makes corvette and destroyer fleets more the thing against them. It was. You want to boost Hull points, shield, armor, in that order. till ~2400 and then the latest beta till now ~ 2440 ). So, use the command at your own risk. The Gray Tempest might be the most likely outcome, but it's still only a 1/3 chance. Wondering when to take care of that. Gray Tempest always happen now? Me and a friend been playing several MP games lately and the Gray Tempest always trigger. I opened the L-Gate in 2275, when everyone had 3-5K power fleets. L-Gate Crisis (Grey Tempest) is WAY Over-Powered. ago. 2, it has gotten worse, as fleet sizes are noticeably smaller even 100 years into the game. That's why I said you want to distance yourself from any L-gate. Im a fine for now though. However, I found no Nanite Factory and after a couple of years, three new Gray Shoal fleets spawned within a system that I controlled within the L-Cluster. This shipset includes custom nanite-themed models for most megastructures. zip and open it. Each Gray Tempest fleet will be about 10k-100k fleet power, dependent on the difficulty. If they win and survive late game, they return to their initial state after one or two century. Though at least this time it means this game is effectively over with me winning by default after the nanite threat is defeated, so I can go and do something else besides playing Stellaris!My last Grey Tempest event I had an asshole AI occupy and claim the Terminus system and close their borders, making it impossible to access the tempest spawns, I would swear they where working with the tempest with how difficult they made that war. This is a light and vanilla-friendly mod that makes it possible to select Gray Tempest shipset for regular empires. Grey Tempest single fleet strength never exceeds 40k~ orso. I received the Gray Tempest event after opening the L-Gates, and after some time moved into them, eliminated all Gray Shoal fleets within the cluster, and claimed all of its systems. As two (L-Dragons and Gray) from four possible scenario outcomes are now removed, the event results are modified. Gray tempest has a 2/3 chance to spawn I think, so it spawns often You can specifically create ships that counter their ships. I get, RNG and stuff. #9. 4. So I think my iron man game is wrecked. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. Since I play on the two highest difficulties, Gray Tempest is a serious mid-game threat, no much more. Unlike the Contingency, though, all-penetrating weapons aren't recommended. The year is 2286 and a few months later my Leader died, presumably suicide to escape annihilation. In the Contacts Menu you can choose which form Gray shoul use. They hatched out of eggs in that paper. They Grey Tempest do not use missiles, they use strike craft. Or some weapons might have a minimum distance to fire and stops targeting those that swarm the ship and starts bitin far ones. The tempest is set up so it trickles in a bit at a time. I've been in all the systems, can't find any factory O_oGray Tempest iirc has the same fleet strength regardless of difficulty (which means you can't also make them more difficult), and in the OP's case, the AI is opening L-Gates before the midgame. But if you want to fight it i suggest using small ships (torpedo Corvettes) and destroyers with flak defence. 783. response:0 "§YDecoding fragment II:§! "In an act that will inevitably doom our civilization, we have deliberately isolated our home cluster to prevent the spread of the Naar-Di-Shav - §Hthe Gray. If the galaxy is not ready, the Grey Tempest stands a good chance of bringing the galaxy to its knees. The Khan is meant to shake up the politics and the way the map looks in the mid-game. By the time I opened the L gate I had a fleet of 150 torpedo corvettes. I decided, that after last three games with Gray Tempest spawning, it would be interesting to play a game where L-Cluster can be safely opened early. If you haven't blown up the factory yet, you'll want to go through the L-Cluster systems. If using my save, check Ten-Aard-Shel in the Terminal Egress system for confirmation Upload Attachment File(s) attachedStellaris. Originally posted by Yourkungfuisnogood!:I have 2,000 hours in stellaris I have never seen the grey tempest that early. 4. Making their debut in the Distant Stars DLC. Deadly invasive Nanites fleet called the Gray Tempest; Veterans of Stellaris will not be surprised when they see an abandoned L-Gate sprawling in the galaxies. Edit 4: Ooh the Grey Tempest are attacking Fallen Empires. ☠]. Im a fine for now though. The Grey Tempest is basically self-replicating machines going out of control (like the replicators from Stargate), so the relic should have something to do with this. I had Dessanu almost every game=after a quick visit to the wiki I realized that the tempest has a FIFTY percent chance of spawning. Funny part that i had no L-gate in my borders, and so far AI keeps the tempest at bay. ago. Grey tempest is mid-game, and should be easily handled by anyone except beginning players if it pops. And a fun challenge too. Each one can only occur once per game though, except Machine Uprisings which can occur once per empire. Even shields are iffy since grey tempest ignores 66% of it. Have sufficient PD and strike craft of your own. The strike craft were never updated for point defense. The year is 2306 and I am by far the strongest empire. pete3great Oct 9, 2022 @ 6:19am. It was officially announced at Gamescom in August 2015 and was released on May 9th 2016; in an unusual twist for grand strategy games, it later came to the PS4 and Xbox One on February 26th 2019. Sends a diplomatic command from the target to the player. A good player will prepare and be able to handle the Grey Tempest (which is likely, but not guaranteed). The Gray Tempest is a sentient horde of Nanomachines and one of the antagonists from Stellaris. The Dessanu retreat to the L-Cluster. Some empire triggered the Gray Tempest crisis 50 years into the game. Each grey tempest fleet is one titan and some battleships. Sometimes the L-cluster is empty or other events trigger. Last night, because another race was getting closed to opening the L-Gates, I decided I should just open my gate first in case it was the Grey Tempest. Once the gates are open, the nanite factory dishes out nanite fleets periodically. 3. It’s around 2400, I decided to open the L-cluster. •. 2. Reply. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. Join. I don't know, you can test it by using the "survey" console command after triggering the Tempest event and see if any of the L-Cluster planets have an anomaly. Like our existence, they just got extremely lucky. unique. Are a little stronger and friendly to the Tempest as they have in vanilla only about 1/30 strength of an adult Ether Drake. 66 votes, 23 comments. Edit 3: They have arrived, sofar all my newly made defenses are obliterated in moments, the end is looking bleak and dark. Same as gray tempest except you have to initiate the attack and in the meantime they provide free resources. Jump to latest Follow Reply. The Grey Tempest can happen when you open the L-Gates, it's the most common but it can have other outcomes, have a fake empire in the L-Cluster, a hoard of Nanite Dragons that settles a couple of systems away from the gates or a event that gives a leader while you survey the L-Cluster. Is the Grey Tempest supposed to always spawn when opening the L-Gates or is it just a chance to spawn? In my first non-ironman game (post Niven) I encountered my. This makes corvette and destroyer fleets more the thing against them. The L-Cluster (Gray Tempest)You can’t terraform any nanite worlds into habitable worlds while the grey tempest crisis is still ongoing. . Anyway, I got a bunch of big fleets together to go through and take them out and I miss clicked on of the fleet directions or something and it sent them prematurely into the L-terminus. When I click on the l-gate icon, it doesnt zoom to terminal egress, nothing happens at all. A single Grey Tempest fleet is 61k. The bad news is that my fleets aren't really optimized to be fighting the Grey Tempest. #8. (Spawning chance is now 100%, from vanilla around 21%)So, I was watching a Stellaris stream yesterday, and the guys was about to open the L-gates. Focused on expansion, resource management and piracy suppression. Grey Tempest gets regular fleet spawns so you can't win by attrition. Katsurandom • 5 yr. #2. Midgame and Endgame are terms that relate to two dates, at which some stuff in the galaxy is allowed to happen (certaint traits or events only trigger after mid game f. 16 votes, 17 comments. . 9. The point is I think it's most fun to abandon stellaris having perfect builds where you hit x at 2300 and embrace the chaos. Torpvettes are ideal, though you can also go plasma+2 autocannons and get results. I activated the gray-tempest, but the initial l-gate cant be used. I just finished the L-Cluster Eventchain but I can't access the L-Cluster. Enjoy the game!. You're all just way, way, way behind the curve of where most empires would be at this point in time, and the fact someone opened it a bit earlier than usual doesn't help. The Grey Tempest's seeming lack of threat comes from three things, two of them mostly inherent in the L-Cluster design: There's only one exit from the L-Cluster. Douglasjm • 2 yr. The crisis can be ended by making way into the L-cluster and finding a factory station that manufactures the nanite ships and destroying it. sav file to . Exactly. . Change the extension from . The titan can one shot a battleship and they mostly use strikecraft. 3) Command: "event " + "distar. com] Buildable L-Drakes are green: WIP The GraySomeone (including AI) opening the L-Gates triggers the gray tempest, but not every time. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. Same with the Gray Tempest in the midgame. Abuse the corvettes 90% evasion and you should be. Edit: For clarity, I think this is a mistake and the Grey Tempest Crisis Declaration needs it's logic updated to not share the same AI voting weights as the Endgame Crises. Now it wouldnt be a big deal but I was very rusty with this specific game due to playing as a Moral Democracy (The Galactic Republic). Legacy Wikis. Lukicly I pumped out research labs and terraformed to machine worlds. ago. This is a minor crisis situation, named such because it is a mini version of the end-game crisis. If the colony is a habitat or a ring world segment, it will be destroyed instead. The Titan will destroy any large ships you have, so corvette swarm and Picket Destroyers are your best option. ago. Share. L-cluster spoiler: Grey is best character in Stellaris. 2. ago. Each Tempest fleet comes with a Titan, and its main weapon (an Energy Arc) does 5-10k damage per shot which bypasses shields and armor. Grey Tempest. If the AI is decently strong (aka. Torpvettes are ideal, though you can also go plasma+2 autocannons and get results. Dr. . I sent in most of my fleets to take out their home base and stop the spawning but they had a trick up their nano-sleeve. I…Gray Tempest. ☠] . Stellaris was never a game of comparable sizing, but this particular case is my favourite to use comparison . Quick Correction; There's a 4th Strat Resources called Dust Actuators that give a 10% to research. Imagine my surprise however, when instead of getting a. The others are consolation prizes at best and aren't really worth the effort of opening up the L-Gates. #7. Gray Tempest only targetting me. Wait for the tempest to send out their latest spawn, THEN take the terminal egress system and build up a station. Gray Tempest AI Changed? The_Boominator. Lex_Ms Jul 2, 2021 @ 1:06pm. Now they keep sending fleets via nearby wormhole, and I'm pushed back a bit but can hold. cuz reasons. Kill them before their strike craft get close. The time it takes to get 7 L-Gate insights, research L-Gate Activation, and complete the special project is the one and only limit on it. Instead, they attacked me, and only me for the most part. That means you will lose at least one ship per engagement unless this weapon misses, which is unlikely if you have anything bigger than a destroyer. Grey never mentions turning into space dragons, so I think it's fair to say they came up with that as their next experiment after uniting into a single being. all nanite weapons and ships have really high nanite upkeep, which makes it hard to use them in any real force. Bursting down their titan with bypass weapons isn't a great. Then I'm assuming when the Galactic Contender perk says it gives bonus damage against the Gatebuilders, it means the Grey Tempest or Dessanu Consonance even though they aren't specifically labeled as "Gatebuilders". (Out of 5-6 games so far) I've always had grey (recuritable governer) as my outcomes. Improve your tech. b. Stellaris. Definitely sounds like a bug - the Grey Tempest factory is usually hiding in the trinary system at the top from my experience. First: The only way to kill them permanently is to kill the Factory. Stellaris. They parked a 1,5m fleet in Terminal Egress and stayed there. The second-funnest Stellaris game I ever had was one where I rushed the L-gates and then got wiped out by an early Grey Tempest. So the fact that the game hints they exist isn't in and of itself an indication of what you're going to roll. That factory makes a new fleet every 10 years. #2. After acquiring seven L-Gate insights, one of four things will happen. When you initially open the L-Cluster and the Gray Tempest spawns, the initial attack spawns directly from the L-Gates themselves. According to the wiki, opening L-gate should only have about ~35% chance of resulting in Gray Tempest. This was the first time I've ever opened it and had the Tempest pour out. The Gray Tempest spawns reinforcements every 10 years. You just gotta be willing to eat the replacement costs per fleet. e. tl;dr Pick any guns you want, load up on hull points and shield. I opened the L-Gates and I got the Gray Tempest. In other words the tempest is dangerous and it will inflict damage, but it will you plenty of time to mount a defence and get stronger. com] Buildable L-Drakes are green: WIP The Gray Someone (including AI) opening the L-Gates triggers the gray tempest, but not every time. Any suggestions as to delete the Grey Tempest would probably save my gameThis is a before and after picture of the galaxy just before releasing the Gray Tempest 150 years into the game, on Captain difficulty. If you have anti-fighter tech, you would slaughter them. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. I was very upset. A (more or less small) stand-alone mod which increases the chance of an invasion by the Gray Tempest through the L-Gates to 66% (and for the Dessanu the rest). I'm 100% sure nobody beat me to it since there's only one. Meewec Apr 21, 2021 @ 6:06am. The Grey Tempest's seeming lack of threat comes from three things, two of them mostly inherent in the L-Cluster design: There's only one exit from the L-Cluster. Danny Feb 1, 2022 @ 11:48pm. The goal is to beat a single nanite fleet, at first combined with a fortress, but later with only your fleet, in order to push them back to the first L-cluster system - terminal egress. Stellaris games are really RNG-dependent. Someone should really take a look at this. To compensate they only use like 5 ships per fleet. Not even planets are safe from assimilation. I was honestly beginning to think they might of removed everything other than l-drakes. Fleet power 30k is the min you really should aim for to fight just one of their fleets. I only. My two Imperial fleets plus on of my own personal fleets are guarding the first system in, and I've began to convert the L gate systems outpost into a shipyard to refit, repair and reinforce my fleets much more easily. 0. Stellaris: MegaCorp continues, as the Gray Tempest fleets devastate systems across the Galaxy, offering some intriguing opportunities, and triggering the gam. ago. Your chance of getting Grey Tempest doesn't change just cause you've gotten it before, you as likely to get it each new game and you are just rolling 38 or lower each time. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. I guess for now I just save at game start and trigger the crisis to see whats in store. I’m currently researching the L-Gates, but I’m sure it’s too. It's no fun to constantly fight them. 2. my L-Cluster System divide by 3 faction. You get the ability to terraform nanite worlds when you defeat nanite menace in L cluster, either gray tempest or dessanu consonance. the only times I ever lost any corvettes was when they engaged at range, so the tempest ships had time to get a few shots off before they got swarmed and then its just waiting while they keep missing because shooting corvettes with tier 2 afterburners, sentient swarm combat A. I wish there was an option to increase mid-game crisis difficulty, but so far there isn't one. Abuse the corvettes 90% evasion and you should be fine. the grey tempest is bugged or OP. get the Dragons by replacing that line with "dragon_season=62808000I have beaten all the grey tempest fleets, and I want to transform the worlds into useful ones. com]. The AI sometimes feel like tech rush the L gate. The L-drakes started competing with each other till only one was left, which is the one you can find as. Melegor. so I built up a federation fleet. Use shields, and maybe some point defense. Hive Worlds have uncapped basic resource districts, while Machine Worlds have uncapped energy and mining districts. Stellaris Wiki Active Wikis. Now im hiding out in 2 systems, hoping they won't come looking!I was under the impression the home systems is always in the L-Cluster. His fleet was tiny, so I was thinking to my self; "he's gonna get destroyed by the tempest!". Also, the Tempest fleets seemed to ignore the Sol System entirely, it’s that little circle in between all the other UNE blue. #2. The Florii only survived thanks to sharing a border with a hive-minded arthropod species known as the All-Consuming, which necessitated strong defenses along the border. The Gray Tempest. 10. Zagreb 887 Colonel. Report. Lastly, it might not work right if you have already gotten a separate l-cluster outcome. 11000 event, this one should spawn it without the Grey anomaly. Its passive effect gives +3 influence and +100% diplomatic weight. about 50 years later, its 2313, and an AI started the grey tempest. Grey Tempest is literally the most deadly crisis in the game. Stellaris is a Science Fiction Space Opera real-time 4X Grand Strategy game by Paradox Interactive. Therfore use many small ships ad counter the strikecraft. r/Stellaris • How the Gray Tempest Killed the Galaxy but I Won the War. Gray tempest always bombard planets until all pops are dead. The letters are the systems. #1. If they appear in 2400, oh sheesh. I could send my Science Ship into the Terminal Egress and nothing happened. Stellaris is a huge space exploration playground, but cheats and codes activated from the game’s debug console commands can add a whole new dimension on PC. I used the crisis to destroy the crisisXD The 3D galaxy map is hard to see sometimes, but right click and drag down to see it more 2D, which can help. To be honest, I postponed mid-game date to 2400 (tech costs are normal), so perhaps this allows for having a healthier galaxy when they strike, if they strike well. If the GT appears early you just roll over and die, those things can be worst than the crisis. For two reasons: 1, that is the most valuable system in the galaxy for the gateway access, and 2, it is a bottleneck against all other grey tempest fleets - allowing you to properly defend the invasion for longer until you can finally push the factory. The Grey Tempest is a mid game crisis and the defender of the galaxy does increase damage done to them. 4 (I repeat 4 x 35k stacks appear) and proceed to wipe everything they see. The Grey Tempest has a probability weighting of fifty, with all other options having thirty. Once you are able to hold the choke points start building 3 fleets 30-50k. I sent four fleets each 60 corvettes + 10-20 dd, ca, bb supported by the juggernaut. New matching event picture [stellaris. ago. I have it with the Dessanu, boring as fuck. 3. Stellaris. Then someone released the Grey Tempest early (one of the advanced start empires iirc). Correction on the timeline there. Learn more about A Deadly Tempest (2. So of course I send my torpvette swarm that beat the Tiyanki Matriarch into the L-Cluster. Two of the most powerful planet types in the game: Hive Worlds and Machine Worlds, are locked behind distinct Ascension Perks. Than drakes, than Grey Tempest, than empty with a chance of Mr Gray. They are vunerable to being outnumbered. Heimdall313 Aug 1, 2020 @ 2:28am. ago. Apart from my first game, which was tempest. assuming you have l-gates in your game (and assuming they haven't already been opened), if you want to guarantee the tempest, do the following: first, if this is a brand new game, let it advance a day or two then, open your console, type or copy-paste the following three lines setflag global gray_goo_crisis_set setflag global active_gray_gooAt that point. Dont use larger ships if at all possible; tempest titans can one shot battleship and below, and titans will be forced to retreat after the first salvo exchange if they survive. Help! Ships not attacking. What you can do is time your attacks. From there you can work your way towards the factory producing the fleets. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Quite_Likes_Hormuz • Additional comment actions. Its year 73 and everyone is weak AF- my own fleet is 1400 (i use Bastion for defence against my single enemy). So naturally the next game I played I GUNNED for getting there. I'm dealing with the gray tempest at the moment, and after a loooong time letting the gray tempest do it thing and reconstructing, I'm able to beat their fleets and went into the L-Cluster. About 100 years into the game. com] to receive progress reports or give feedback. I've made sure at the start of the game that I don't have the dragons, dessanu, and gray tempest flag using debugtooltip so that I'll 100% get the empty cluster. 7% compared to the others’ 21. Abandon all hope, I doomed us all. Grey tempest . Since Nemesis dropped I have since nearly matched the old record and managed to open the L-Cluster (just Drakes this time) by 2236 - but I was not explicitly angling for it to happen. You reach the end date. Maybe it could give you a nanite fleet every 10 years, maybe it could reduce enemy weapons' effectiveness against your ship (due to the adaptive nature of the nanites), etc. And the L gates was like 3-4 jumps apart. i have all the L-Gates in my empire. Senkoau Jul 2, 2021 @ 8:43pm. I vassalize an empire as well as capture a second reanimation fa. . When I opened it nothing really happened. The wiki says it requires the L-cluster to work, I am not certain if this means, a closed L-cluster or if it needs to be discovered first to work.