so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Ima go with byonder. Thanos wins. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Beyonder. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. Follow 15315. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. Hajun via feats and implied power. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. 56 results. 0. He wins. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. Premium Powerups . Oldfather 18. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. #28 ovy7. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. As. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. beyonder Yep, lol. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. The One Above All is literally God. Jun 12, 2019 #2. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. . A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. -. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Jayfournines. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. Rorschach vs Dr. Beyonder stomps. Since 2013, Stan Lee has said that it is the writer who writes the scripts and will decide which character to win. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. There would be no fight. . There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. It is as Cosmic Reign says. Job Burke 4. 1. He is just beyond. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Not even beyonder is that powerful. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. Juntai. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Follow 77. Now House Of Ideas 13. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Kushedwack. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. The power of love is said to be a threat. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Marvel vs DC. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Forum Posts. Meaning he became everything and everyone. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. 3. Jayfournines. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Her being outclassed "heavily" would require some actual analysis of their respective abilities (and weaknesses), this definitely doesn't seem to be a stomp at first glance, as even with my admittedly very limited knowledge of Umineko, I recall. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. That's it. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. I think the idea. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Follow 331. Beyonder Doom 14. and it can be said so is spectre. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. 2. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. 1 Answer. Thought Robot without any effort. 2,459 485. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. The Glory: description and feats. This. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). u/nullfather can attest to that. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. This is a simple fight. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Everything that takes place is his dreams. vs. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. 8 years ago. the spectre with the presence backing. #3 jwwprod. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Juntai. . What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. Forum Posts. beyonder Yep, lol. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. Manhattan's league. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. NULL_Terrorist. beyonder Yep, lol. . Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. Follow 4160. Both have absolute 100% control. Follow 4160. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. Jan 29, 2017. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. . This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Pre Retcon Beyonder. ago. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. both teams have omnipotent. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. TOAA mops the floor with these two. They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. #1 Nicholas_Jones. 2. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. I dunno. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Phoenixblue. 1. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. 2. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. 3 The Beyonder. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. I really can't be asked to go. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. Prepare for. 2. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. Forum Posts. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. 4 years ago. Red Mist vs Galactus. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Hykuu. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Having incubated. You can't be above him. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. I dunno. Both are in character. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. Wiki Points. Advertisement Coins. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Wiki Points. 3. bunker_man • 2 mo. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Even The. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Comics . Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Stan Lee vs Jim Shooter Saying Beyonder > TOAA is ridiculous, that's like saying Dr Doom is smarter than Beyonder, because he stole Beyonder's powers even though Beyonder was supposed to be God. ago. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. Neither of. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. . beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. 7. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. s. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. Ahl God Of Superheroes. Max Deen. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Followers. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. SCP 3812. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. if anything. Which seems appropriate. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. . And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. 13 / 10. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. . Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. #. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Sppople. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. s. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Even if it logically and rationally. 1%. TOAA have failed. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. In general as the Supreme Beings. 10 years ago. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Toaa 2. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Featherine. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. 2. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. 5 years ago. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. #14. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. Oh boy, Michael wins. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Manhattan's league. Viners voted on it. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. They are god of their own comics. Beyonder is beyond the universe. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. 0. 1. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. I'll go for the. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. This. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. And he loses. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. Beyonder 39%. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. 7 years ago. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market.