Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by Art K, Jul 12, 2019 . Edit. Location: Liverpool, England. 5 features Philips' new CDM 12 2x-speed industrial CD-ROM mechanism with a linear-tracking pickup and a. Regards, Wayne A. Just about every CD player will come with a pair of analogue cables in the box. What do you want in a CD transport? The DAC I was using retails at $5400. That doesn’t detract, though, from what Jay’s Audio has achieved with its CDT2-MK3. But yes, pretty much most DACs you encounter are transparent. The new PS Audio PerfectWave SACD Transport (PST) was, in part, brought into existence when OPPO decided to exit the DVD/CD transport business. What do you want in a CD transport? The DAC I was using retails at $5400. Bottomline: A CD player's transport, servo mechanism and motor, etc. Best value for the money — Rotel CD14 MkII. It's decent but certainly not a high end transport. Cleaning the laser as suggested in forums sort of helped but it is completely unusable. We know you’d much rather hear the sound of Hendrix’s fingers flying up and. Virtually every CD player out there uses a transport mechanism between $4-$30. 016 euro. 1 - I don't think the 35. So you get all the benefits of a cutting-edge Hi-Fi system, like MQA when used with Streaming Amp, plus all the simplicity you could want. Delete. having played with various transport, ime they can make or break a DAC. Onkyo 6-Disc CD Player. It's generally better. For the original Apollo, Rega used a Wolfson WM8740 sigma-delta DAC. A well-designed DAC should not depend on its source of data for the end result, in any way. The Pro-Ject Pre Box RS2 Digital and Pro-Ject CD Box RS2 T are designed to work in tandem to deliver the best sound quality from CD’s. Reviews and Tech Articles . Switching to a lesser player after the CD-7 was a bit of a comedown. Wanted to get opinions on the Denon DCD 1600NE and Yamaha CD-S1000 versus other higher end transports. Firstly, their earlier player are considerably brighter sounding to my ear than the later ones. audphile1 04-11-2020 10:31pm. For each kind of component, from phono. In today’s computer-driven marketplace the C31 CD player can just as reasonably be considered a “DAC with transport. I’ve been looking for a compact CD transport to hook up. I just bought a new audio-gd 7HE 2020 DAC and think the CD player I have been using as a transport may be a bottleneck in my 2 channel system. The Best Single-Disc CD Player: Marantz CD6007 Single-disc CD player with USB port. And that’s a problem. DP . A CD player is a physical transport, streamer, and DAC. Robert J. Cyrus CD players are, in my opinion, stunning. This is no longer true. I suspect that not hifi dvd players do some processing on cd plaback or have very bad spdif output. This is not a money-saving ploy. A few weeks later once again the amp turned off, blazing hot to the touch. PerfectWave SACD Transport. IMO all digital sources sound equally good through a quality DAC. If you want small CD transport there are many other options a lot cheaper than cdt-8 so it really comes down to what you need and what you value. performance ( better dacs, weight, inputs, features etc). It’s ideal for those who already have a hi-fi separates system, and simply want to. After I explored the DA5 and its capabilities while streaming, I spent much of my review period enjoying the CEC DA5 and TL-5 as a simple CD player—albeit in two boxes. 1 kHz linear PCM) is read off the CD and STAYS digital all the way to the receiver. Let’s look at which format has more advantages, CDs or streaming. I recently demmed a Rossini player (includes CD mech as well as the DAC) before plumping for the DAC only. I have broadcast market CD players which do well to last 2 years of life before laser dies. 33-inch touch screen sitting on the top. Considering another CD player / transport, need 2 within my business. in many ways, standalone adds incurable interference that cd players bypass. This is the latest (and last) version of the CD Pro-family of player modules — The CD Pro 2LF (version VAU 1255/21LF). The Mini-CD MK2 has a set of analog RCA outputs, for easy connection to almost any amplifier, receiver, or powered speakers. Location: Western Washington, the State, USA. The simplified front panel shows only seven pushbuttons and a largish rectangular area for the disc drawer and fluorescent readout display. 01/06/22 - New firmware available for Attessa CD Transport V3. After writing my very favorable review of Marantz's PM5003 integrated amplifier ($449. 04. Thanks, Joe. TEAC 5-CD Carousel Changer. An old skool cd player has literally no cpu and therefore less noise and better sound than pretty much any computer source. Best value for the money — Rotel CD14 MkII. But you can also select the Unison USB output, which means you can play your CD directly to a USB-input DAC. 1Pro-Ject RS2 CD BOX Transport. Just about every CD player will come with a pair of analogue cables in the box. "A nice mid-fi system," according to an audiophile acquaintance. for instance I would like a Theta Jade or. CXC breathes new life into CDs – giving you many more years of enjoyment from them. For each kind of component, from phono. Pflughaupt. CH Precision D1. WAV vs FLAC: For the D/A converter the bits are the same as FLAC will decode back to WAV before the converter gets to see the data at all. The Cambridge CXC is a real sign of the times in the world of hi-fi. CD Transport. The OPPO 203 is a worthy consideration and at £650, just under your budget. So it seems very reasonable to conclude that the Denon DCD-755AR CD player not only applies its Alpha Processing to its analogue outputs (measured noise: -113. The differences are inside. File formats handled Up to 768kHz/32-bit and DSD512 on USB, 192kHz/24-bit on others. This feature is made possible by a communication link between the No. A&B Jukebox Repair also repairs CD-Pro2 and some other Philips mechanisms. made low-end turntables for the Japanese audio giants. DD15 is a compact CD transport providing high end digital transport capabitlites to virtually any system as a result of its dedicated low resonance slot load CD drive and low noise digital output, while its compact cabinet makes it the perfect partner for SC15 Prisma preamplifier and network player and I15 Prisma integrated. Make sure you burn-in the player and listen to it as a CD Player and as a Transport, as. As you say you love the combination of the Atom and SF speakers, I would think you would find the upgrade to the Star to be marginal at best. The 272 wiped the floor with it. Luxman D-105u CD player. You'll have to check with the manual as to how you engage the analogue output. The aluminum finish on the front of the player is a great choice for this price range, ensuring the player doesn’t have a. For example I have listened to my current cd player azur 851c vs the cxc cd transport (which is the same as the transport of 851c) with the 851D dac (which is the same DAC section as the one found inside 851c) and I find it marginally better! Like x 2; List; Last edited: Apr 10, 2019. Denon DCD-800NE. Both CD player and transport have their pros and cons, ultimately to decide the winner it will be depended on the users which is you. i am only looking for a transport, if ill buy a cd player i will use it as a transport not more! Share Dec 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM Post #9 of 12 krmathis Head-Fi's Most Prolific Poster. Try it! In today’s computer-driven marketplace the C31 CD player can just as reasonably be considered a “DAC with transport. Equipped with a Philips CDPRO2 LF. I preferred the Cambridge CXC over the 103 running into a Simaudio DAC. 16-15/16"W x 3-1/4"H x 14-1/4"D. Solid construction with distinctive glass and chrome finish. See moreCD transports differ as they don’t have any analogue or digital to analogue components in them or any filters to improve the analogue sound. #11. The disc player’s sound is extremely natural, with rich detail, excellent retrieval of ambient information, deep black backgrounds, and a somewhat crisp overall presentation. A lot of older CDPs will develop problems over time. I think it is more reliable and less risky of disc damage. This entirely new design sports the latest 24-bit Wolfson DAC chips. (Not the new one) I just got here by random google search. The Denon DCD-900NE is a single drawer CD player that currently retails for $550 . Unison USB Hub. weight: 10. Our range of CD players are designed to extract every last detail from your discs. Best value for the money — Rotel CD14 MkII. Of course some CD players have USB and other inputs allowing to use the built-in DAC with other transports. Well the CD player was never sent and they say not till may so I exchanged it for the Cambridge audio CXC. A CD Player, Transport, And DAC – All In One. having played with various transport, ime they can make or break a DAC. It took 1min to disconnect all the dac stages from it. Ever heard of heavy use cases. Little back ground story is - I was looking for CD transport for fun, so I find things from Pro-ject, Audiolab, Cambridge and Primare. Features CD player; 32 bit 2nd Gen QXR DAC; Servo Evolution tech; SU-XR upgrade port; user-upgradable firmware. Best transport-only player — Cambridge Audio CXC v2. 35) which sends the inversion command to the processor. What are your thoughts - Auralic G1, Lumin D2, Lumin U1 Mini, or a dedicated CD transport for high quality playback. It’s galvanic isolation makes a. Audio Perfect Wave CD/SACD Transport. 99% of CD players even back in the day where CD was king. The link also allows the No. Denon Single-Disc CD Player. 1 optical (Toslink) digital audio output. ' My opinions expressed here do not represent those of the AVForums or its. The CD format is still alive and hanging in there with the LP. The manufacturer is supposed to pick the best possible electrical components. About a week ago, I wrote a blog on PS Audio’s somewhat unorthodox, DSD-centric DirectStream DAC. The heat this time just triggered the overtemp sensor and poof. No SACD, but focus on best possible CD replay. The DACs on the Oppo are also both well designed and well implemented. Yamaha CD-S303. Since its inception, CEC has reigned as the foremost among analog player manufacturers. Best Saving: Onkyo DXC390 6 Disc CD Changer,Black. Old ideas die. Teac CD Player CD-P650-B. Aug 22, 2021. While a lot of audiophiles still enjoy large CD collections, most of those folks use CD, DVD, Blu-ray players or computers to play CDs. Buying a great CD player is very nostalgic… hey, I’m 69 years old… that is my excuse… if you are not retired. The actual discs (and there weren’t many of them out at the time but they were very sought after) cost a hefty $25-plus per album, which is over $60. But influence of the CD quality (clean and new vs. The task of a transport (optical drive in this case) is to read the disk and send a SPDIF stream to a DAC. The CD t is the latest addition to Cyrus’s long line of highly accomplished products. $698. Jay's Audio CDT3-MK3 CD transport. You can choose a CD player with a high-quality built-in DAC or upgrade to an external DAC. The CD player can also be used as a transport, allowing you to bypass the internal DAC to output to external gear, using digital coaxial S/PDIF output or the I²S HDMI interface. Aug 19, 2019. A lot of older CDPs will develop problems over time. Since its inception, CEC has reigned as the foremost among analog player manufacturers. Apr 15, 2009. The Arcam Alpha 9 CD player is a mid-priced player at the top of the Arcam line. This 71-pound, $17,200 device takes the task of recovering data from a CD quite seriously, employing what is unquestionably the best built and most elaborate mechanism yet devised for CD playback (save for the mechanism in Esoteric’s $25k P-01 transport). Later my top of the range Cyrus amp got hot and decided commit suicide. It’s a CD transport, rather than a CD player, meaning it will simply read the data on the disc, requiring an external DAC to handle all the digital-to-analogue conversion. since you already have DAC you need pure CD transport without inner DAC uder $1000 the best option I can think of is the Cambridge Audio CXC . The Pro-Ject RS2 Digital is a flexible pre-amp that features tube or solid-state output along with the ability to link to the Pro-Ject CD Box RS2 T via an I2S HDMI interconnect to utilize the master clock. Yamaha CD-S303. This blog will highlight the network-attached, disc player/transport the firm offers as a companion for use with its DACs: the £2,999 PerfectWave Memory Player Transport (or PWT for short). On the higher-end Cambridge Audio, Audiolab, Cyrus and many others are only making CD transports. " The new Moon Evolution 650D ($7999) is physically and functionally identical to the 750D. 2MHz. Streaming is better for important categories like audience reach and portability, while CDs win on sound quality, brand building, and. DACs can sound different, get a $5 no-name Chinese one off eBay, get a tube DAC, etc. What's the difference here? johnnm. ” for engaging/disengaging the internal 4x upsampler. Technology. The painstakingly engineered circuit layout extracts the best possible performance from audiophile-grade component parts for. Right out of the box, it impressed me with its hewn-of-a-piece construction. IMPEDANCE: <75 Ohms. Transport Of Delight. ” CD transports connect to an outboard DAC or any audio component with a. (I think it was a CDP-501. Models like Sony BDP-S370 offers SACD compatibility and has both output. Trade-in. ” for engaging/disengaging the internal 4x upsampler. They reached out to a number of audio writers (including, yours truly) with the. 64 posts. CD Player w/ Digital Out vs. ' My opinions expressed here do not represent those of the AVForums or its. Ever wonder what's the difference between a CD transport and a CD player and more importantly - why's it matter? Audio Advisor is here to help explain and gi. . No SACD, DVD-A, Blu-Ray or other disc formats are supported and, of course, it outputs a digital stream only, no analog. Type DAC/pre-amp/headphone amp. I definitely don't want to spend that much. Hi, wondered if anyone had good experience of using a DVD player as a CD transport- and whether there are benefits over using a reasonable CD player. The DVD-2900 is a single-disc player, but it's a universal player. Yes, this is where we are in high end audio today. 00 EVO CD. But of course, you get much more than a CD Player. So then he describes things like forward midrange, and soundstage and blah, blah, blah. It easily provided a much more pleasing CD listening experience. anon32455950 August 21, 2021, 9:04am 6 Maybe off topic…. I would definitely use the CDP as the transport and the Modi as the DAC, live with it a few weeks and see how it goes. #1 I'm looking to retire my old Sony CDP-C801ES CD player for a (stereo) DAC + transport combo. Best Sale: Marantz NR1711 8K Slim 7. Edit. Some audiophiles believe that DACs can sound different, and so enjoy the flexibility of swapping out the DAC without having to buy a whole new CD player. You can play hi-res PCM music up to 24-bit/192kHz and DSD128. Marantz CD6007 (17. And apparently this is both a DAC vs CD player comparison and a digital transport comparison. It's not about SNR or bit levels, to me it sounds like is a temporal smearing of the high frequency end. I would just make sure it's a 75 ohm coaxial cable, and not longer than 1. Buyer's Guide. With something like an old philips based player, im not sure the lines will ever cross. Seattle Area. Nevertheless, here we are in 2018 with the Cambridge Audio CXC, seemingly a unicorn in the audio world of under $500 components. My specific needs are 1) AES / EBU out and also 2) as a preferred option balanced XLR out. The arrival of these new components shows just how diversified the Box Design range has become. DETAILS Product: Audiolab 6000CDT Price: £379 Origin: UK/China Type: CD transport Weight:. 09-25-2021 at 03:00pm. I did not have another SACD transport in house for a more accurate comparison. Those can last over 10,000 hours. S. Digital and streaming has been getting better and better over the last couple of decades. That said, I did try the Arcam in a head to head with the much older Musical Fidelity dedicated CD player and the Arcam was best, so technology moves on and things get better. You are simply using the Denon in that situation as a transport. All of the Cyrus products share a similar industrial design and tank-like construction. Most CD players and CD transports are. As a £895 CD transport, it can’t really be described as a budget player – it’s a premium player but it’s not uber premium that it will be a bank account shocker. The advantage of using a CD player as a transport gives you the flexibility to experiment with different external DAC's to tailor the sound to your preference. As turntable sales were replaced by CD-player sales, C. Assuming you have a good external DAC, it is likely better than the internal DAC of the CD player. While buying a good streamer and DAC will set you up for the rest of your life. NAD 5425: $299. I just bought a new audio-gd 7HE 2020 DAC and think the CD player I have been using as a transport may be a bottleneck in my 2 channel system. Option 2: Placebo. 1 CD data without upsampling. The small percentage of Mac's does not invite the malicious interest that PC's do. 1) CD transport. do not produce an audio signal. Transport mechanism: not specified D/A conversion: Wolfson WM8742 Sample rate USB type B in: max 192kHz/24-bit Maximum dimensions. Don't know off hand what transport the x-box uses but many so-called "audiophile" cd players use bog standard computer DVD-Roms these days simply because very few companies still make bespoke cd mechs. Color: Lunar Grey. . You could simply buy a basic CD Player like a Yamaha CD-S300 (~£170). 00. Urd also has two USB inputs that you can connect to other USB sources, and switch between them. browntrout February 10, 2023, 5:58am 4. So how would they fare against each other? The winner of this match-up will solely depend on you. #14. CD transports differ as they don’t have any analogue or digital to analogue components in them or any filters to improve the analogue sound. 8. Built on the same Ingenic X1000 platform, running our dedicated system optimized for portable players, this time customized to a 2. The first time I heard a CD player in my own system was in 1983, the first year of the format's introduction in the West. . Technical description. Nothing to stress over and probably undetectable in blind testing. The player has two digital outputs – a 75ohm BNC coaxial connector and Toslink for optical connections. You call it a 'CD transport with a built-in DAC', which is a CD player. A CD player's transport is the tray you put the CD into and the mechanism that spins it and reads the information on the disc. and the CXC with a Denafrips Ares ll. ) We connected it to my system at the time, Quad ESLs driven by a Luxman tube amplifier. They are flexible in their own unique way but owners of CD transport and CD player may not see it that way. 192 kHz/24-Bit Audio DAC, Optical & Coaxial Digital Outputs. In this video, I explain if there is a difference between a $6 DVD player from Goodwill or a $1500 CD Transport from Primare. #5. Both are old models, so you may be able to find one NOS or slightly used. Here, the PerfectWave made strides from the CD layer that comes with each disc. All blu ray players will play CD as stereo and are designed to do so. You’ll hear incredible detail from your discs, possibly for the first time. Sound lacks sonic authority. Probably brand new with one year warranty. . The $1200 D-105u, the top of Luxman's CD-player line, is novel in its twin-triode vacuum-tube amplification in the analog output stage. CDs tend to sound better on a dedicated CD player rather than a transport /DAC combination . I currently use an older generation P. wav -> 98% match Pioneer DVD player xxxxxx -> output Pio. I suspect that the implementation of a high quality top loading CD transport is simpler to accomplish and less expensive. Music Geek, Jan 11, 2012. I chose it because of its superb attributes. ) I happen to find interesting article in unpextected place - Lampizator’s old website. Wadia’s third player (after the WT2000 and WT3200) and based on the Teac P-2S, the Wadia 7 is a legendary transport using the VRDS CMK-2 with KSS-151A laser, still sought after and fetching high prices, even if some critics say that it is outdated and not better than any Teac VRDS. It's a CD transport, rather than a CD player, meaning it will simply read the data on the disc. Remember, we’re talking about a CD transport so it’s 16-bit/44. This configuration is said to. Used as a CD player, the CD5 puts in a creditable performance for its reasonable price, one that’s full of musical life and. Buy a second hand Sony CDP715 CD player for about not much and you will be amazed at how much better it sounds than streaming or computer files. So far, any DAC I have teamed with this transport increases the overall performance to a higher level then with my other transports. "I guess if I want to make an upgrade from my old Krell Kav 300 cd ( which I am using now as transport), and not to spend a fortune, I should look at used transports of the nineties. The Philips Pro2 just for the mechanism is $500. This was Teac’s all out assault at CD transports: extreme inplementation of the VRDS system. $799. A dedicated CD player will have better parts in comparison to a cheap Blu-Ray player. . One could argue that the 'C555ES and '2900 are compromised when it comes to CD. The Rega is a fine player but may be compromise with it's top loader if you don't have space in a rack for it. Free same day shipping on all orders placed before 2:00PM MST. S. 1. That's a difficult price point, your betwixt and between with there be a great many good players under £500 which in fairness has been dominated by the Marantz cd6006 for a number of years. It's best to consider these hook-ups as no more than a 'get started' measure. The suspension, cover and turntable platter are made of 100% real carbon fibre. Post edited by hearingimpared on September 2006. Remote control iR14. I would also recommend avoiding used transports. The original TL1 CD transport was conceived as a challenge to the digital world, making full use of CEC’s legacy in traditional mechanical engineering. Slack, Nov 3, 2019. Charles9 minutes ago, Irek said: Marantz CD6006 is a good transport. Redbook CD's directly played in a high quality CD transport? 2. 1 inches. I purchased four CD players (Marantz SA8005 and CD6006, Tascam CD-200, and Yamaha CD-N500) and a Cambridge CXC transport. That it costs as little as it does is further reason to pay it attention. cephas February 11, 2023, 4:26pm 4. The CD-S700 & CXC use the same transport, Sanyo SF-P101N, the same one used for all of the former CA Azur series, 351C, 651C, & 851C, & all the Marantz 5003-6003 thru 5005-6005 CDP's. If I search for CDM-9 I have to click away some popups but ultimately get to a. First the cost difference (between good analog and good digital) was large to get as good as analog… and the minimum investment was $100K… that dropped… then over the last ten years. Those can last over 10,000 hours. Product Design: Primarily designed and built in California, with PCBs also made in Utah and Nevada. A pair of RCAs accommodate the use of an external word clock (10MHz), and a tiny toggle switch marked “UpS. Nothing bright in the mids, no boomy bass, no tizzy treble. The Teac VRDS-701 CD Player and Teac VRDS-701T CD Transport. The last-generation of Cyrus transport was the. With something like an old philips based player, im not sure the lines will ever cross. The 6000CDT fits very easily into the Audiolab family in terms of aesthetics. The CD player is a Cambridge Azur 851 with upgraded blue fuses and a Synchro-mesh reclocker which has been OK but I think I may get good. Report Comment. A well-designed DAC should not depend on its source of data for the end result, in any way. 1kHz in native form. It lost detail, the bass was muddied and the highs lacked resolution and air. This one is simply a CD transport with mains power. I have a pretty high end DAC and CD Transport. . The arrival of these new components shows just how diversified the Box Design range has become. The player unit contains the laser-optical player mechanism, servo system, signal processing and error-correction circuitry, and a dedicated power supply. The Fifth Element #86. . Most CD players and CD transports are. The launch price for the Marantz was £450, well above the NAD’s retail, but having dropped. Slack, Nov 3, 2019. In that regard, this Bryston CD player differs from its predecessor, the BCD-1, which had only one DAC chip per channel (and which also had a plastic disc transport). 2 transport is $1100 plus $75 shipping plus $60 minimum for a new power cord. Not all CD players sound alike; ergo all DAC's will not sound the same. For example the Line Magnetic 515 uses a Sony KSS 213 (discontinued) is a $14 transport. The two systems, Teac VRDS-701 CD Player and Teac VRDS-701T CD Transport, will be offered in a choice of black or silver, with the proven emphasis on the particularly elegant design line that evokes the charm of the long-gone heyday of hi-fi in the 1960s and 1970s. RSVP. Reina | Mar 18, 2011. So a CD player has a. Gryphon current product CD player. This Exposure XM CD player is a half-width chassis design sporting a top loader disc mechanism with a magnetic puck. Here Are Our Picks for the Best CD Players of 2023: The Best Overall CD Player: McIntosh MCD350 2-Channel SACD/CD Player. The CXC spins CDs and retrieves the audio data with perfect precision so you can hear things that you’ve never heard before in tracks you’ve heard 100 times. $549. You won't notice a difference as chances are you are converting from a lower or equal quality file. TALK TO A HI-FI SPECIALIST.