#2 Edited By Hulkman123. Molecule Man is a character from Marvel Comics. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. . It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Been done here on the vine. 4 years ago. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. #14. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. Prepare for. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. trolls can call other people trolls. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. 8. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. This is not a stomp either way. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. 967. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Mxyzptlk. @hyperbeing said:. Kuuko273. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. But, that was in regard to a. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. 10 years ago. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Fight takes place in current DC universe. -. ago. 2. Beyonder needs some preparation. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. The level is set when. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. Gen. Yeah. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods. 140. Well technically Dr. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Numidium 2. The time lords are at their best. That's all there is to it. 8 years ago. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Sep 20, 2018. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. -Everything in bleach. Thought Robot without any effort. 13. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. #11. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. Forums. ". it would be mostly stalemate. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. 4 years agoBeyonder (of Earth-616) is a cosmic cube with a god-like being who started and oversaw the Secret Wars. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. 12984. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Let's put it this way. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. 3. Followers. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. ) No fan. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. 7. He comes from outside the multiverse. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. 3. Fighting place: Dr. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Who will win?Pre Beyonder Or CC Goku, Xeno Goku, Rimuru, Gilgamesh And SinbadTop 10 strongest universal characters rankingPre-Retcon [Non-Canon] Franklin Richards;. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Beyonder is marvel. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Forum Posts. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. 1. But it wont be easy by no means. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. it would be mostly stalemate. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. no that was post-retcon Beyonder, and I think she actually had borrowed some of his power and then returned it to him. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. there are tons of ways to argue. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. Add a Comment. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. #17. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. 3. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. 2. That's all there is to it. 2 years ago. May 26, 2023. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. Even The. Super Power Score and Level. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. This is a higher scale power level. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder Is so powerful he gets bored even with The most over powered entities. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Beyonder 73%. cweaver • 7 yr. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. #11. Mee09. #8 Edited By Sungsam. ago. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Definitely Beyonder. Forum Posts. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. Jack Kline can’t do shit. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. ago. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Endless Mike. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. ago. He is. CitizenSentry. ago. 14 years ago. 7: Old Lord Thanos. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Super Power Score and Level. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. And just think, he was HOLDING BACK THE ENTIRE TIME, just so that he could only FIT INTO the Marvel multiverse without IMMEDIATELY DESTROYING IT due to his massive power. Beyonder is hurt. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Super Power Score and Level. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". She/Her. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity due to their respective powers. Follow 3000. 5 years ago. Follow 15136. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. Multi-Death 28. RRPanther • 7 mo. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Multi-Oblivion 22. Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. Follow 4533. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Well, the. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. 10 years ago. R. :The mage can't use any scrying abilitys between the fights to study his opponents except against the Doctor. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. #18 Edited By Kingant27. however one could always reduce a given discourse's interpretation of Mxy's power levels by bringing up his lowshowings here and there; in regards to scaling Manhattan to Perpetua, I find this really poor since the latter. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. He is. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. His book alone has all. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Regardless. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. ago. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). Wiki Points. Beyonder, very easily. . As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. We already saw alive Gil in the Babylonia arc, he shows the same power level. How you interpret that is irrelevant. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. Follow 11369. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 2. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. I really can't be asked to go. Molecule Man. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. New Comics. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. 111 results. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. 5. LT. Beyonder. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. who’s full power. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. 1. 4. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. I think he wins this. No prep and no knowledge. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Follow 4132. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Nightmare All Dreams 24. 1 Answer Sorted by: 9 There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Jan 22, 2017. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Wiki Points. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. Fighting place: Dr. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Manhattan's league. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Sorry. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. ago. Galactus Fused 23. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. #1. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. Wiki Points. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". He should win against Lucifer. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Beyonder 16. " So, name someone. This fifth dimensionl counted. Beyonder snorts him. 2. Both are in character. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. . The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. The. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. ago. Archived post. New posts. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Even The. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. #2. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E.