Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. 4 years agoBeyonder (of Earth-616) is a cosmic cube with a god-like being who started and oversaw the Secret Wars. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Follow 4132. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. 10 years ago. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Doom did. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by the HotU. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. HeartLesS 14 d . 2. Follow 15136. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. So I might be missing something. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Scales nowhere. #36. I really can't be asked to go. Archived post. Super Power Score and Level. Well technically Dr. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. New Comics. Been done here on the vine. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. Far from Beyonder levels. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. May 26, 2023. GEB=Anti Pressence. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. That's all there is to it. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. Wiki Points. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. CryptoWeaknesses. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Thought Robot without any effort. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. 1. #14. Even The. Stops at 4. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. ago. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. Numidium 2. Pre-retcon Beyonder. The time lords are at their best. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. 2. . But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. g. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. New posts. 10 years ago. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Beyonder is kicked away. Just checked, you're right, my bad. ) No fan. Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. 33. . Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. The. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Super Power Score and Level. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Forum Posts. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. Beyonder, very easily. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. bloodlisted. Mr. 5 years ago. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. #28 ovy7. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. He is. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. Jim Shooter who was the. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Fixes Beyonder's Multiverse-Wide Destruction. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. 5 years ago. 4,859 4,632. There are levels of overpowered. #17. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Follow 3000. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. 1,102. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. the_doctor. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. No prep and no knowledge. He. CitizenSentry. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. He stomps. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. He has both well feats and statements. Forum Posts. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 7. He comes from outside the multiverse. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Wiki Points. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. . Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. ago. eternityx. ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. @hyperbeing said:. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. 7: Old Lord Thanos. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Follow 3300. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. Earth 691 Beyonder. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Loki God Of Stories 17. 4. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). jwwprod. who universe. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Yeah true. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. VS. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. -Both sides have a week of prep. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. This is a higher scale power level. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Definitely Beyonder. 2. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. Beyonder is hurt. 8. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. HeartLesS 25 d . • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Super Power Score and Level. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. so that places a limit on his power. 1. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. He should win against Lucifer. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. on. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. no. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. -Everything in bleach. cweaver • 7 yr. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. 13 years ago. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Beyonder snorts him. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Beyonder is either: A. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. not all are the same power level. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. -Everything in bleach. deactivated-5b3daad020468. :Wiki. - Neither. #1. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. let's wait and see his actual feats. 2. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. And yeah he stomps. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Forums. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Cubey. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. 11. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. 9 years ago. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. Fight till death. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. 0. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. No one. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Endless Mike. Round 2 : Post Retcon. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. 2. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Additional comment actions. Beyonder needs some preparation. 8 years ago. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Kuuko273. 1. Sorry. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. Jan 29, 2017. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. 7: Old Lord Thanos. 5 years. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. Sep 6, 2015. Origin: Marvel Comics. I think he wins this. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. • 1 year ago. -. Share to. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Business, Economics, and Finance. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Follow.