0. 11 years ago. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. g2_ Follow 14321. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. Doom, and Constantine team up, trick Presence into coming to Marvel Universe where he isn't. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Follow 16064. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. This topic is locked from further discussion. Win by death, KO, incap. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". The Beginners Guide To Comics:. He. Followers. 9 years ago. 12 years ago. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. Forum Posts. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. 1344. Ite. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 13 years. Take the hill. The Beyonder's, on the other hand, aren't and that's what will give him the win. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. So, yeah, no worries there. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. . Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. 0. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. @laflux said: MOM. In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. Follow 8935. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Follow 3068. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. Post-Retcon Beyonder, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man and Unbound Spectre. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 8 years ago. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. The beyonders were stated to be bound by linear time. PR beyonder. There no need to insult. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Having incubated. 801. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. M. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. A universe that is more powerful than the multiverse. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. Beyonder is the bigger god. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. Gen. PR Beyonder was specifically the sum total of a multiverse that dwarfs the Marvel multiverse. -5. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. One on one, most people would say that PR. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. Doctor Doom can steal/absorb power from PR Beyonder, Galactus, Asgardians, Nightmare, Life Force (Reality warping from HoM) etc but couldn't defeat Onslught? That is inconsistent. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. KingOfAsh. 6,407. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. However Lucifer ig is the same. Mike+Luxy would be at least equal to PR Beyonder/Molecule Man/Mandrakk/Living Tribunal. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. 3 years ago. green_skaar. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. Roshi in a heartbeat. 5. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. #1 KalKent1297. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. 13 years ago. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. Random encounter. The Two fight in the beyond realm. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. 29. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. The Two fight in the beyond realm. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. So yeah, this is the same Beyonder that had PR Molecule Man crying on Vulcana's lap and decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. PR Beyonder was designated just under TOAA due to his Omnipotence in his own universe or something to that effect. Otherwise we're looking at LT-beating omnipotent vs. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. PRB has a lot of. 9 years ago. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Followers. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Well, uh. #12 Edited By Montaq. I’m goin wit Batman. No chance of being omnipotent. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. His. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. If Doom goes at full confidence in. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. 0. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Wiki Points. the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. The Presence. Win by death, KO, incap PR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. Oh, and Doom has a gun. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. they have quite the lineup. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. 8 years ago. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. Reviews: 1. Eru Iluvatar (in a contest of who made a cooler world) Lucifer, Thanos, Dr. Well, since the Beyonders are just a part of this multiverse whereas PR Beyonder was the entirety of a multiverse bigger than the MU, no. 0. Battle has been done so many damn times. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. Either way, Beyonder is objectively stronger. 5. Victory by permanent death or erasure. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). 11 years ago. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. Wiki Points. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. 5 tons to punch a car. level 2 · 1y. 1. BEYONDERGOD. 13 years ago. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. PR Beyonder over AM. The BeyondersVS. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. The first thing here is this is only a character. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. And the LT he beat was undefined. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. Reviews: 0. #1. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). . PR Beyonder shrugged of a shot that "would have slagged a few million entire dimensions" fired by the only other dude would could have leveled such a thing (PR Molecule Man). at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. He is another universe, pre-big bang. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Forum Posts. User Lists: 0 #6 Edited By Crom-Cruach. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. New Comics. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Follow 88. Forums. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. She/Her. Since his feats and stuff have. Follow 3074. PR Beyonder. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Living_Beyonder. 9 years ago. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Another thing about the. Beyonder 39%. And of course the LT himself. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. 13 years ago. Based on Marvel’s cosmology back in the 80’s - 90’s (which I mentioned in the scalin I provided), Classic Beyonder would be Outerversal since he is ”beyond” the Marvel Multiverse. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. Both equally were sharing same body as explained in mutant x #32. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. . This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. 2. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. 14 years ago. I know that Krona vs LT already exists but i havn't seen one where krona has all the items and i think it would be interresting to see them battleTakPR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. Perfect teamwork. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. He was a way wanked character. -5. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. Wiki Points. She surpasses him in raw power by far. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. dope matchup. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. HOTU Thanos. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. 2. 63 results. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. Who is a better god like figure? PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. 7 years ago. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. Gen. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. 13 years ago. • 1 year ago. -You may take DNA samples from 5 different Alien Races from any fictional media. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. #6 Edited By icecream1991. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. u/nullfather can attest to that. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 0. Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. m99. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. The one below all (TOBA). Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. Forum Posts. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. No, they can't adapt to. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. I don't think Oblivion can be destroyed. "@Decoy Elite: sorry for bumping this thread but I needed to reply to. #12 Edited By Pr_Beyonder @Crom-Cruach: Don't forget the regenerator G1 cell that allows Godzilla to regrow any amount of damage as long as he has regenerator cell present in his body,allowing him. 3rd. Pokergeist. They above everyone on the list Gold Experiance Requiem cant touch nigh beings or omni beings so its useless. Start off twenty feet away. " 13 years ago Pr_BeyonderRandom encounter. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. 6 years ago. 1. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. Follow 2797. lizyatearita. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. So just assume that this the PR version of the Beyond realm. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Doom. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. doomsday49. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. I'm using universe very loosely here; we're probably on the scale of. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Van_Cere. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. Perfect teamwork. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Kuuko273. 0. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. London, UK. Nihilist. Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. Wiki Points. No. Beyonder is the bigger god. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. Forum Posts. Just no. 4 years ago. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. 2 years ago. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. 2 years ago. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. 13 years ago. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. . Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is.