Even The. This is not a stomp either way. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Archived post. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Super Power Score and Level. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. He comes from outside the multiverse. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Battle. Super Power Score and Level. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Nov 6, 2017. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. Thank you. The. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Also no Heart Of The Universe). Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. #17. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. who’s full power. Thought Robot without any effort. Follow 379. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. #18 Edited By Kingant27. let's wait and see his actual feats. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Only way Parayla wins is of. Loki God Of Stories 17. #1. No prep and no knowledge. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Super Power Score and Level. #13 AgentofChaos1. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. From a mathematical perspective, Me as a normal human being is literally closer to Azathoth and dr who power level than they are to 3812 . 0. Beyonder 16. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. He wouldn't be. 5 years. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is capable of granting any wishes,. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. Especially if they all team up on him. 33. The result of an. 0. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. Super Power Score and Level. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. Originally posted by galan7777777. 43. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". 11. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. ago. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. give evidence of who wins. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. #36. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. eternityx. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. Queen Of Never 25. Earth 691 Beyonder. Beyonder is either: A. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. The beyonder = The One above all. Fighting place: Dr. 8 years ago. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. 9. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. 8. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. Beyonder is hurt. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. His book alone has all. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. 11. 8 years ago. This is a higher scale power level. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. He is his total opposite and equal in power. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Apr 18, 2021. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Follow 41274. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Follow 21460. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Victory by permanent death or erasure. 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. it would be mostly stalemate. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Thank you. . 81. • 1 year ago. ) 4 years ago. deactivated-63c1a72900876. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. 3. #1. Follow 11369. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. 1. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. Sppople. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. who universe. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. 1,102. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. Follow 3300. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Let's put it this way. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. And yeah he stomps. Powers are basically the same thing. #1 Omega48. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Powers and Stats. Forum Posts. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. Sep 20, 2018. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Otherwise there is. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. He stomps. there are tons of ways to argue. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. . I really can't be asked to go. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. 10 years ago. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. ago. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. the_doctor. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Beyonder is kicked away. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. GEB=Anti Pressence. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. show 3 replies . . edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. LT. Oldfather 18. Numidium 2. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. I also added scans and references. rest. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. show 3 replies . Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. 7 years ago. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 2. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. -. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Super Power Score and Level. #28 ovy7. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Cc goku is outer by surpassing the universal tree that has infinite dimensions. King_Saturn. Jim Shooter who was the. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. He should win against Lucifer. Manhattan's league. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Yeah. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Multi-Oblivion 22. Wiki Points. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Definitely Beyonder. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. 1. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. so that places a limit on his power. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. . So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. Going by Cosmology Tiering. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. The Two fight in the beyond realm. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Even The. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. on. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. FollowHe wielded the Dunamis Demiurgos which is the literal power of God. 3. ago. no. 7: Old Lord Thanos. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Far from Beyonder levels. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. 3. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Gen. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Thanos wins. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Even if. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Thanks for that. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. Beyonder Doom 14. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. And since he gave his power to. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder.