He cues on the edge of the cue ball and then on the last stroke moves to. ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. Pro's try to explain how they "Aim". If anybody isn't convinced about their motivations at this point spanning almost 2 decades, they either have blinders on or are a part of the Johnson/Figueroa gang. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and road money players. & Mrs. I believe. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. He started all of his destruction of aiming systems, Hal Houle, CTE, etc. The quality was amazing and I can’t wait to take pics in these two piece sets. If you want to learn more about these and other -shot aiming systems, seecut the . it's magic. May 1, 2023 #254 Dan White said: I think CTE discussion is more interesting that what color chalk do you use or which cue maker screwed somebody over this week, lol. For the newer amongst you who have been reading about Hal Houle and his systems, here is a description that is I believe in his own words. Hal Houle and I talked many times over the past few years and I regret not having the urge to learn more about CTE from him. Hal Houle, the person I will call the father of all this, had many many many variations and systems. The following was passed on to me by someone who was there in the loop and a close friend of Hal. Ron Vitello also teaches one that is dubbed 90/90 which is also incredibly precise and accurate. The common fractional-ball aiming system, sometimes referred to as Hal Houle’s 3-angle system. . After watching multiple. I use it more in practice and do not focus on the pivot when I play. Loading…I've been using basic CTE for awhile, but using older information. ) A: I studied aiming systems under Hal Houle, who invented many aiming system variants. Let me know which one was your favorite in the comments! I’m really looking forward to making more micro two piece hauls with my friends so if you liked this one make sure to let me know :) My favorite Bikini from this haul was the last one! Check out Dare and Codee!That was Hal Houle's claim - but it actually takes about 50 different cut angles just to make a spot shot into a 4. To zero in on A or C, I simply line up the edge of the cueball to B first, as this is a very. The pro's answer would be 4 + 0 = 4. Just sayin'. By: Search Advanced search…However, Hal Houle (there's that name again) also created a STICK AIMING SYSTEM that had nothing to do with CENTERS and EDGES. Cherished mother of David Morse, Kathleen (Mike) Morse, the late Sam Morse, the late Dean Morse, and the late Glen Morse. By: Search Advanced search…23 years ago Hal Houle threw out a claim and teaser on an early internet group called Rec. For many, it would be easy to call Hal Houle a “student of the game” save the fact he might know more ways to pocket a ball than anyone else alive. All of which are very interesting and Ive been mixing and matching depending on the shot but for easy shots, I still use the ghostball system. For the newer amongst you who have been reading about Hal Houle and his systems, here is a description that is I believe in his own words. Search titles only. . Still doing it. First he told me to forget. By: Search Advanced search…I'm grateful for you Stan and for Hal houle. He has never stopped after 25 years. A few years ago I was working on an aiming system of my own design (as far as I know this is my own design, I may have been inspired by something I've seen, but I don't think so). A. M is a visual aiming method. Most errors in a stroke originate in the backstroke, and get amplified on the forward stroke. For those who think he's guilty of false advertising and claims, you're. If anyone would like to see the Contact and Pivot aiming or any of the Hal Houle systems that I know,(small ball, 3 lines, points of light, stick aiming, etc. How it's advertised is as an objective aiming system with zero feel or subconscious involvement. In my opinion if you HONESTLY wanted to learn CTE then. I am proficient at ghost ball and contact points, I just was looking into a system to double check my aim if I am uncertain. hal houle. REP to you dave. "Hal" Houle, age 82, passed away on May 29, 2014. "CTE naturally aligns CB-OB relations as an overcut to. A. Started playing in 1934. It was posted here about 6. ” In TP A. 11, I show that these aims are equivalent to 3/4-, 1/2-, and 1/4-ball-hits and the 15- and 45° angles. Hal Houle, during his research with aiming came to understand that the spheres we use for playing pool have 360 ticks on their circumferences. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. I'm told that Hal Houle recognises this and recommends the adjustment method diagrammed and described below. I wish I would have known him back when he and I were younger. Joey: You know, an aiming system where you aim from the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball and then pivot and. And by honest try, I mean give it at least 10 tries, hopefully. By: Search Advanced search…Hal Houle may've been the first to use the word "visual" as a noun relating to pool shots, just as he or Stan was probably the first to use the words "visual perception" in relation to visualizing pool shots. I then listened to them for several more hours while on my route as a mailman today so I could really let it sink into my subconscious. Instruction & Ask the pros. All of Hal's systems used the 3 line fractions. Stan reveals how the 30 perception was "king" with Hal Houle. . Silver Member. sacman AzB Silver Member. Search titles only. Oct 12, 2022 #56 phreaticus said:A CTE/PRO ONE video is coming! The video will present the exact visual nature of CTE. I think Hal was largely correct in that assessment. It has NEVER been enforced on those members who have free reign to say whatever they want negatively or disparagingly about Hal Houle, Stan Shuffett, CTE, Shishkabob, and students and usersJUST FINISHED reading mosconis autobiography for the tenth time. Ask The InstructorIt's a useless question, no one knows. If you would like a copy, email me at The answers I received, from Houle followers, defied the laws of geometry and, as such, were absurd. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. Aiming that point to the object ball's center or edge is a surprisingly good starting point. Army and was stationed in Germany during the Korean Conflict. Search titles only. :grin-square: Perhaps the video will be large enough to honor Hal Houle for what he created. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. Stan has worked for years on developing CTE/Pro One and that is. It was posted here about 6. By: Search Advanced search…I'm going to explain how to shoot this shot into the upper right corner pocket using real CTE. Apparently he had many aiming systems. Recognizing. It occurred to me the newer members might not know who Hal Houle was. Hal called it his three angle document. The fact is that all systems which work will end up with the player in the SAME place which is lined up correctly. . To me, the bold and red highlighted parts seem to indicate that Hal did not believe that the system described was able to directly pocket all balls on the table. Yes. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. Jul 15, 2008 #8 Bval Use The Aiming System That Efren Reyes Uses. I am proficient at ghost ball and contact points, I just was looking into a system to double check my aim if I am uncertain. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. Harold Houle, now 85, said the time he spent with Greenleaf came during the late 1940s, or possibly in 1950. 5railkick said: I read on the other forum that Hal uses a 2 angle method to aim every shot. By: Search Advanced search…This is CTE video of the day #2 (48) - CTE CONTROVERSY Regulation 2 1/4" balls being shot into 2 1/2" pockets with reducers. So no, not playing the victim at all. Note: I'm not saying that Hal came up with the light theory. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and road money players. That's going to change. . Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. I also reviewed newspaper clippings from The New York Times, and I've drawn a. Here's another juicy secret I call Pivot Aim, used by Johnny Archer and Efren Reyes, and taught by me, Hal Houle and others to an elite few before this article. 12,478. These guys want to act like it's supposed to be some magical event that Stan claims makes the ball. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. and others who teach these things their due. Started playing in 1934. . Instruction & Ask the pros. I like Mike's method in actual games, makes things much easier, no thinking or guessing. Daughter of the late Anton and Elizabeth Heinsen. He has posted his phone number -- the new one in Pennsylvania (I think). One thing that has intrigued me about CTE (not the only thing) is its use of two lines rather than one for shot alignment. points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. What the old gent said to me is pretty much what Terry is saying in his video. 11, I show that these aims are equivalent to 3/4-, 1/2-, and 1/4-ball-hits and the 15- and 45° angles are not exact. . By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. Q. Hal and I had only a phone relationship, never having met him in person. this came about with lateral thinking - thinking far outside the box by hal houle and then stan shuffett. I haven't seen any testimonials lately and I got to wondering how Stan's facebook page (aka the impenetrable fortress of solitude) was doing. Most are good honest requests to learn. Stan Shuffett entered the picture a week ago or so and invited to teach me his CTE/Pro One Aiming System. If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here. 5 years ago. take the time go to the table and try it someone suggested. . Connie and I are beyond pleased! I left it all on the table: 38. Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. )From the very first ball i hit with Hal Houle on the other end of the phone . A. There are only two ways to be lined up on a shot, either on the correct aiming line to make the shot or on the incorrect. . On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. . pj chgo . Instruction & Ask the pros. My name is Hal Houle. I will use every comment by you that fits that goal and there are many. Efren: Oh, aim. Well beyond the life of the. . Align the the cue about 1/2 tip off center from the cue ball. he did the same thing to hal houle. Stan Shuffett, a pool player and instructor from Kentucky, took deep interest in CTE and refined it to his own system known as CTE Pro/One. #2. competent and has provided cueing instruction to all levels of. I reside in Russia and. #1. Takes his three angles and makes aiming easier to teach. The questions is how many have even CONSIDERED. you aim the left quarter, center and right quarter of the CB (the "3. Sep 18, 2021 #53Stevie Moore - ProOne - derived from Hal Houle's systems as taught by Stan Shuffett Darren Appleton - Something similar to the S. Thanks for taking the time to post, Dr. I commented that, from my recollection, Hal Houle was a decent guy and had always been forthcoming in our prior discussions. I realized. Aiming ConversationInstruction & Ask the pros. . Koop - it works, I'm just not smart enough to grasp itOn the other hand, in honor of Hal Houle I can also say there is only one shot on a pool table! Hu Click to expand. "Your" system exists because of the efforts of Hal Houle to bring the concept of ball to ball objective aiming systems into mainstream pool instruction. Perfect Aim, CTE, TOI, Hal Houle's systems come to mind. way I aim is I am alway shooting cue ball center but I am using the edge of the shaft. . Just very different ways of seeing the two balls,. . I lived in Greeley, about an hour away from Denver at the time. From what I know of the Hal Houle point and pivot system, it has to do with actually pivoting the cue itself slightly. . If you can run all 15, more power to you. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods. Jan 20, 2013 #63 Patrick Johnson said:I will be at Q-masters on the final Saturday of the US Open. Mary Lou Houle 04/11/1930 - 11/21/2022Mary Lou Houle, resident of Toledo, Ohio, passed away November 21, 2022 at the age of 92. It's like DNA, do what comes. . By: Search Advanced search…Throw 15 balls out on the table and start wherever you wish with a one rail or more bank. If anyone knows what it is supposed to be, then I. But he said he understood the concept, so I gave him the okay. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. My goal, to which I am willing to dedicate a good amount towards, is to promote the aiming systems of Hal Houle and those who teach them. . Aiming ConversationThanks to another member for sending a PM to me with this system he found on the internet called "Splitting The Difference". . description:. Most of my aiming is based on several of the things he taught me. and let's go to press. . 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. Hal Houle has many systems, so you start from a false premise. Whenever someone asks me how long I’ve been playing, I always say, "Since I met Hal. I said Hal who? He said Hal Houle, the aiming guy from RSB. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. Aiming ConversationThe time you spent with me practicing in your booth at the tournament was impressionable for me. . A. Although, like San Jose Dick, the math is over my head and the physics lingo wrecks my game because I am thinking about when I play, I KNOW that there is merit to these systems and I will rejoice when the math and science guys figure it out and give people like Hal Houle and Ron V. If you would like a copy, email me atThe answers I received, from Houle followers, defied the laws of geometry and, as such, were absurd. go! the ones i seen confused me, im making big leaps in my pool game this yr, so why not take it further if i can and actually learn something lolSearch titles only. . Stan has spent the last 15 years learning those secrets and has explained them. Yes, the process is VISUAL and pivot based with VERY strong math and geometric support. I'm going to explain how to shoot this shot into the upper right corner pocket using real CTE. We identified 117 records related to "Paul Houle" in the state of Florida. I am using the ORIGINAL HAL HOULE SYSTEM. C. Hal Houle, the person I will call the father of all this, had many many many variations and systems. Yes. He was always experimenting with aiming systems and knowledge he acquired over the years from. . According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. What is the Supposed Phenomenon of Center to Edge Aiming? This thread is an attempt to garner for ALL concerned. Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. I have shown Hal Houle's quarters system to APA 3s and 4s and watched them start making shots way above their skill level. Using your attacks to further the reach of CTE is merely a way to turn your evil. The man genuinely wanted to share his knowledge with as many people as he could and did it for free. I've shot pool for a good portion of my life but never took it to the next level. The best person to ask is Hal himself. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. Glad you had a chance to see a real pool room. you read his posts and you know he doesn't have a clear understanding about these pivot systems and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. I was a pretty good friend to Hal for over 20 years. His best results are winning a stage in. By: Search Advanced search…Instruction & Ask the pros. And who would have been the first to do it? YOU GUESSED IT IF YOU SAID PAT JOHNSON, who was the first in 1997 to go after Hal Houle on RSB and then other users. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. . Search titles only. (Houle's memory is somewhat hazy on the point. By: Search Advanced search…Hal houle is the creator of this system. You only get down to 8 cut angles with the OB about 6" away from the pocket. His name has been on and off fourms for years. S. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. 5 years ago. halhoule AzB Silver Member. Too many things didn't make sense to me so I moved on. No, it's because their only target is and has been CTE, Hal Houle, and now Stan which started 18 years ago. But does anyone have a diagram or can at least explain simply what the. 23 years ago Hal Houle threw out a claim and teaser on an early internet group called. Jan 16, 2020. . Hal Houle invented it about 7 or 8 DECADES ago and called it Shiskebob. Aiming ConversationThis is THE BOOK, detailing exactly how CTE Pro One can improve your game. I don't usually visit or participate in forums other than the "Mail Forum," and maybe others are the same way. most of philipeno player are using Busty. explanation, when you take a normal pair of glasses and set them upon a flat surface you will notice that there is a larger seeing surface below the BOWS than above, then notice that the BRIDGE of the FRAME is normally round. The pro's answer would be 4 + 0 = 4. A chat with Master Instructor Stan Shuffett today reveals this :thumbup2:: Stan says. Once you become trained to see nothing but those 3 lines and completely eliminate CONTACT POINTS strung across the OB and CB to link. Problem is, he had to stand there and correct me on every shot because I just didn't get it. . pj chgo . Both of these men are right. The step by step process will be revealed. M is a visual aiming method. In this example the pot required is a thinner hit than half ball, lets say 35 degrees. Search titles only. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. . By: Search Advanced search…Search titles only. And honestly, I don't recall going over Center-to-Edge with Hal. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. The National Billiard Academy is the only school authorized to teach the specialized Aiming Systems of Hal Houle. Why are you so obsessed with me, PJ? Hal was the only pool player in his family tree and the community here on AZB probably knows more about his pool life, adventures and accomplishments than they do, so Sunny asked if I would ask the members here to post their stories about Hal so they can be read at his funeral. He was always experimenting with aiming systems and knowledge he acquired over the years from. Without having tried this method on the table I want to acknowledge the spirit of innovation that exists that motivates players to run with concept. Hal understood what they were doing in order to connect with the angles that lead to pockets even if they had no clue. pj chgo . I have been playing pool since I was seven, shining shoes in bars, I'm 63. S. Place the bridge hand down with the cue along this line. Also let me know if you disagree with any of the existing. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. Well, It looks like the moderators moved the "How to Aim Pool Shots (HAPS)" thread to the "Aiming Conversation" forum. S. If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here. right quarter,and right edge. Problem is, he had to stand there and correct me on every shot because I just didn't get it. Pool lost a pioneer. EXACTLY WHAT is the Supposed Phenomenon for Center to Edge 'Aiming'. Honestly no matter what "system" you use if you do not have a consistent stroke, a straight stroke, and good fundamentals, the want to get better, and. Regardless of whether you like, love or hate the use of the tip for that purpose. All I can I can say for now is that NO ONE loved pool more than Hal. The methods that Hal Houle teaches are the most exact and precise ways to aim that I have ever seen. Army and was stationed in GermanIt is a given that the tip can be used as a device to point the cue to certain recognizable spots on the OB. Stan's Truth series illuminates the secrets of CTE that Hal Houle purposefully failed to provide when he first discussed this aiming system. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate. Here's another juicy secret I call Pivot Aim, used by Johnny Archer and Efren Reyes, and taught by me, Hal Houle and others to an elite few before this article. There is nothing on Earth Stan or Hal Houle could have done without getting blasted for one thing or another. Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. See this image: The pivot point is the pink dot on the cue. Wouldn't be. Jan 20, 2013 #63 Patrick Johnson said:Some (mostly undercooked) food for thought about aiming system benefits for everybody. #2. I've met Hal a few times. Began instructing pool in 1945. If there were 10 Commandments of CTE this would be the first one. I am aiming base on the hal houle system but using the edge of shaft to aiming point. I doubt that Stan's defining and refining will change any of that no matter how exact CTE/Pro One is. I came into this multi-decade argument a few months ago after having learned basic CTE from Hal years ago. He has posted his phone number -- the new one in Pennsylvania (I think). . I don't have the numbers anymore, as they were in a notebook I can. I know Hal Houle there are only 3 or 4 shots in pool. Article posted in: Billiards Forum -> Cue Sports -> Pool Playing Tips -> Aiming and Execution Tutorials. Barbara was born in Waterbury and was the. He welcomes inquiries and does not charge for his advice. Stan Shuffett entered the picture a week ago or so and invited to teach me his CTE/Pro One Aiming System. The Sport Palace was a unique place for sure. Oh wait, I forgot. JB Cases Silver Member. I personally used it for several years before Hal taught me a version of CTE. I thought to myself, that idea. Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. ”. He retired from Ottawa Hills Memorial Park after over 20 years as an "Underground Condominium Salesman. Mary Lou Houle 04/11/1930 - 11/21/2022Mary Lou Houle, resident of Toledo, Ohio, passed away November 21, 2022 at the age of 92. After all, his wife Sonny says her husband spent the better part of a decade in the garage working on diagrams and other pool-related drawings. I have played around with CTE for ~ 2 years. Much to what I assume will be the chagrin of the vocal CTE guys, Hal Houle himself said this in his infamous original 3-angle document. M is aiming by the numbers. Started playing in 1934. knows that I'm a proponent of Hal Houle. Ron Vitello also teaches one that is dubbed 90/90 which is also incredibly precise and accurate. No personal. And by honest try, I mean give it at least 10 tries, hopefully. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. . Conversely I have shown aiming systems to some good players and had them give me a confused look and decide that they didn't want to bother with it EVEN IF they agreed that it might help them. If anyone would like to see the Contact and Pivot aiming or any of the Hal Houle systems that I know,(small ball, 3 lines, points of light, stick aiming, etc. H. Im guessing this is based on possible points for the QB and object ball. If this is true, there must be something VERY, VERY POSITIVE (AND SOUND) to. Includes; pocketing, caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks, and double. Instruction & Ask the pros. . you have nothing to lose. Very minimal. 5 years ago. Hals's version started with an "inside cue tip" placement on the CB aiming to the same three spots on the OB as this guy and then pivoting back to center. 5 + 2. 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. I'll never be a good player, but I try all the time to improve. RecSportBilliards in 1996. There is no one on the planet who does not use an aiming system - all pool players started out using a system. Examples include Hal Houle’s 3angle system- , CTE, and SAM. Literally the week before Hal sought me out I spent several hours on the table with my friend Chris McDaniel working on a. Basically the system is about a limited number of aiming points Full Ball hit 3/4 Ball hit (approx 15 degrees) 1/2 Ball hit (approx 30 degrees) 1/4 Ball hit (approx 45 degrees) And the Thin Hit Do a search for Hal Houle for. I doubt that Stan's defining and refining will change any of that no matter how exact CTE/Pro One is. I use it more in practice and do not focus on the pivot when I play. Recognizing those. From the very first ball i. Search titles only. JoeyInCali Maker of Joey Bautista Cues. Just for you, here is my answers to your queries. ) I will be more than happy. add another ball that can be used with. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. Hal is no longer with us, but fortunately, he showed his breakthrough systems to many players. " Meeting Hal made me addicted to information. Search titles only. And I listened. as long as the thread stays alive, and you post. Teach professionals, very advanced players, and road money players. He drew in 3D the theory of rotating spheres. ) CTE originated from Hal Houle. Hale played high school basketball at Jordan High School in Sandy, Utah from 1960 to 1962 and won a state championship. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. I hope it does not relate to fraction aiming because I don't feel comfortable with that. I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. I hoped that he would chime in and help explain away the apparent dilemma. “Innovator” might be a better descriptor for Hal. When these methods are used the feel in aiming is reduced to almost zero. When these methods are used the feel in aiming is reduced to almost zero. If you want to learn more about these and other -shot aiming systems, seecut the . Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket. What is the Supposed Phenomenon of Center to Edge Aiming? This thread is an attempt to garner for ALL concerned. Search titles only. In TP A. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. When I first learned of Hal Houle, I immediately sought him out because I heard he was a very knowledgeable man. Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. Gold Member.